I received a reply from a reader that it seems has a totally opposite view of things than myself. Instead of returning a reply I felt that this comment deserved its own post. The reply is from H.R. who seems to constantly have this totally condescending attitude when talking with me. I am not sure whether this is personal or just his arrogant egotistical attitude. He has referred to my mind as being a sad little tiny place, I am also brain damaged and intellectually crippled.
Instead of exchanging barbs I will try my best to get my point across to you as well as H.R., who starts us off with “Government is an agreement among free people. Do you get that? A set of rules agreed upon by a set of people. Not a separate entitiy from those people. It’s when you start thinking of government as some all powerful being that’s going to take care of you and fight your battles and right all wrongs that you set yourself up to be controlled.”
YES, I understand the principle of government and who and what it is for. That was the point I was trying to make to H.R. in a previous reply. He previously said that “No, the system didn’t “encompass” slavery … Blacks weren’t defined as people protected under the system. In other words, it was a mistake of definition, not in the nature of the law. Think of it as a monopoly game. The rules are the same for everyone, but the hard fact is that you weren’t allowed to play for a while. Now you can play, but because you’re bitter about being excluded you wan’t the rules slanted in your favor ..” Now when I spoke to him previously I used the term system to mean government.
H.R. can’t sit and now claim that the system never encompassed slavery. If the “system” never encompassed slavery then exactly who did? The system DID encompass slavery as it was institutionalized which meant that the act was given authority and by who if not the system or government. Yet H.R. would like for us to believe that somehow slavery didn’t involve the system who were the government who were the people.
Back to his comment about government, the operative word in his definition is FREE. When the government or system was set up we were NOT a free people so therefore had no such agreement. Now that we are supposedly free, the SAME government that deemed us as NOT free has not changed, they are not some new entity who entered into a new agreement with us. So what does a people do when the system or government or those free individuals making agreements with the government is dominated by a race of people who one – don’t respect them, two – started out denying them and continue to do so and three – don’t protect or acknowledge their rights whatever you deem that to be.
“You can’t, if you want to have principles, allow racial issues to influence your philosophy of government, any more than you can have special rules for short people, ugly people, people with IQs under 90, etc. At what point do you stop dividing people and taking from one group to make up ground for another group? It’s a slippery slope.”
Racial issues are and will continue to dominate our country due to the unwillingness of the dominating populace to see the hypocrisy in its actions. One group gets special treatment, is and was allowed to take from the other for the entire duration of their relationship and NOW H.R. would like for us to stop dividing people. I don’t know where he is going with this. I would like to know at what point do we stop dividing people and how do we even the playing field after one group has and continues to benefit so heavily from the divisions they created.
“You have no larger concept of government except that it was created by whites so it must be a plot to perpetuate white privilege … This is a truly ignorant stance. You know what else was created by whites??? Nearly every staple of your life. The computer you’re using, the light over your head, the internal combustion engine in the car you drive … Was all of this done to perpetuate white privilege? Please tell me.”
The government being created by whites is not the problem. The government being created as a means to advance white people at the expense of all others IS. The only ignorant thing is that people can actually think that a system of government was enacted which encompassed the subjugation and slavery of another race is not inherently set up to perpetuate the ruling race’s status.
Thanks for the history lesson on inventions, but how about some of these. Pretty much every staple of YOUR life as well as mine has its roots in Africa. Africans pioneered mathematics, medical practices not rooted in myth or magic, metallurgy, building with brick and mortar, and astronomy. Now you thank an African American for open heart surgery, refrigeration for trucks also trains, gas masks, elevators, air conditioner, refrigerator, Cell phones, fire extinguishers and the computer system you use today with its working bus and peripheral capability. Are these plots by the black race to show that they are productive citizens and worthy of being equal?
“These things were introduced as a matter of progress–as is the ever changing system of government in Western society. Political philosophers have never been preoccupied with race…. read what they have to say. Thomas Paine, who was responsible for inventing the American approach to government, was a destitute undergarment maker who came to America with nothing, never had much, and died with nothing. He was also outraged by slavery and was one of the first Americans to take a resolute stand against it.”
“The American system was a bold innovation, and was, and is, the fairest form of government to date … If you study history you’ll see that ours is the least prone to class distinctions and abuses of power; the germ of it was, as I’ve said, conceived of by a poor man who had been kept down and got the shit end of government his whole life. (I’m talking about the Constitutional Republic we’re supposed to have, not the quasi-socialism we have now.)”
That is such a crock of bull! We have a system that says it is OK to discriminate, let people die as opposed to giving them healthcare, pay for war as opposed to caring for the children, sick and elderly. We are as corrupt as they come and are no better off than any socialist, communist or dictatorship. We are just bamboozled into thinking we are. We are NO more free, happy, healthy or rich. Again we are just bamboozled into thinking we have the best system on earth.
“It’s pretty egocentric to assume that the framers of our government spent any time thinking of blacks …. The hard truth is that blacks were thought of as chattel; as property and nothing more. The system wasn’t designed to keep blacks down any more than it was designed to keep wagons or beasts of burden down”
H.R. is abso-freakin-lutely right our grand old forefathers NEVER spent one second thinking about the black population. Because they DIDN’T MATTER! The system was designed to keep whites UP not blacks down, since they were already there. They had NO inclination that slavery would EVER end. So it wasn’t a matter of writing anything that had to take them into account. So, now how exactly was this government set up to give blacks the same rights as whites again?
“So let’s be perfectly frank here, and tell me where I’ve got it wrong:
Blacks came literally out of the stone age into an intensely mechanized and complex civilization. They had not developed the wheel or a written language, and this was at the time that Newton was inventing modern physics, and even later, at the time that Edison was inventing the electric light, moving pictures, recorded sound for christ’s sake …. This was what, 2000 years (?) after practically every other racial group had conquered the seas, built ingenious sailing vessels and could navigate their ways around the world … ”
Is he joking! Blacks in Africa had the first Universities, even Plato had to go to Africa for a University education. We had the first medicine not rooted in magic. They were doing surgery with tools that those of today mimic. We had societies with government and rule of law. Africa had construction techniques such as brick and mortar, Metallurgy, irrigation, aqueducts and plumbing. We had civilizations so complex money was not even necessary not to mention thank them for the mathematics and writing utensils used today such as paper and pencils. There are tons of things coming from Africa yet I am sure that since he is coming from a white propaganda background he has yet to do any research in this area. He is not necessarily racist for this thinking just ignorant.
“Please tell me, am I being a racist for pointing this out?
The point is, it’s totally intellectually irresponsible to say that blacks had it hard simply because whites have plotted to keep them down. You say the white race “did this to them” which is laughable …. First off, black chiefs were well involved in rounding up and selling other blacks. Secondly and most importantly, for whatever reason–and I’m not making any guesses, just dealing in the facts–black Africans had simply not advanced while most of the rest of the world was going forward at breakneck speed.”
It is irresponsible to say that blacks had it hard simply because whites have plotted to keep them down which is laughable. Of course blacks had it hard because whites were plotting to keep them down. If they didn’t plot against blacks then how does H.R. explain the KKK, Jim Crow, Slavery and all the persistent discrimination and racism that has continued even today? I totally agree that blacks were involved in the slave trade. Jews were involved in the holocaust, America trained Bin Laden and Al Qaeda to fight the Russians, so NOW WHAT? Are the Jews responsible for the holocaust, is America to blame for 9/11 and is this assertion supposed to make slavery OK now.
Black Africans were ruling Northern and Southern Africa which were going at breakneck speed living in civilized communities, writing history, building structures, cultivating crops and domesticating animals all the while the only thing stirring in Europe were drawing stick animals on cave walls. Does that sum up what I think of his guess?
H.R. definitely needs to take a course on African studies before you begin your little guessing game. It is pretty ignorant to make assumptions that blacks i.e. Africans are so pitiful and backwards. Yes the African continent has been trashed and usurped by many violent outside forces like the French, Dutch and British. If anything the problem Africa had is that it wasn’t VIOLENT enough to get rid of these people before they did so much damage. Now they are a group of fledgling nations trying to start again with all that they were wiped away by years of subjugate outside rule. Yes they have problems but, these nations are mere babies and will need to figure out what they are doing again.
“Just being perfectly realistic, do you think Westerners could confront men of any color who did not have the wheel, a written language, clothes, etc., who could only make simple stone tools–and say “these men are my equals?”
“Answer that for me.”
The answer to this is that H.R. definitely needs to take a few African history classes. The wheel was invented in Africa. He is so pompous about the white race or the western culture he belongs to that he actually think that everything was made by the western world. While the western world was making stone tools Africans were making tools and medical equipment from metal. Also they made scalpels and other cutting devices out of obsidian which western doctors are reverting back to. They were making replicas, jewelry and tools out of gold and mining diamonds and other stones.
And if clothes are the key to being civilized; then maybe the horrible monsters that enslaved a nation of people were just wearing the wrong things. So I am sure that with all the advances that the civilized African man had over the westerners did not cause them to see them as less than equals. But then again, the Africans didn’t attack nor try to enslave the Europeans when they met them, I am sure they were treated well just like the natives treated them when they landed in America.
Yet I am sure that none of that made any difference to H.R. as he is too far gone down the road of racist propaganda that he obviously has no interest in what really went on in Africa before the meddling of others. Africans were not these pathetic no bodies that he would like to paint them out to be. Racists usually can’t get their heads around the fact that all life originated in Africa and that the first civilized societies, with a lot of the modern day inventions that one likes to attribute to the western world.
“On the whole, you need to recognize historical realities, and recognize that there’s a larger pattern of events. You’re a pretty severe racist because you’ve been duped into believing that everyone hates you because you’re black, and that everything’s a plot against you, and that history proves this. History actually proves nothing of the sort–only that your racial group was at an extraordinary disadvantage and suffered for it.”
The thing that I and hopefully the other readers will recognize is that H.R. demonstrates the basic thinking of a racist who denies being one. He constantly alludes to the fact that Africans and their American counterparts are looked at as less than whites for all types of propaganda laden reasons. When H.R. says I’ve been duped I wonder if he means duped by me looking at the slavery, the systematic racism, the discrimination, the killings by lynching, police abuse, deaths, hypocritical justice system, wage discrepancies and the blatant disregard of ALL things that blacks or Africans have ever done, discovered or ever accomplished. Then yes by all means I have been duped.
“I’m sure when you come to terms with this and can separate petty emotions from your contemplation of government, you’ll arrive at some sensible conclusions.”
“Thanks for the discussion. I’ll look forward to your response.”
It is easy to see that the ONLY conclusion that I could come to that would make any sense to H.R. would be to whatever he would and become a sheeple just like him and those like him. Unfortunately I can’t and won’t buy into H.R.’s propaganda and nonsensical thoughts on things. Yet I will let all of you the readers come to your own conclusion on this guy.